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Updated: 7/23/2009 - 4:05 AM



Obama's plan blasted as Nazi-like
LaRouche demonstrations across the North Fork question health care policy
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LaRouche Political Action Committee member Patricia Noble (right) spent last Thursday on Love Lane in Mattituck, flagging people down with this message: Obama's proposed health care bill is just like the Nazis' T4 health care plan.
Protestors opposed to President Obama's health care reform effort demonstrated last week on sidewalks across the North Fork, telling anyone who would listen that the proposed measure is a mirror-image of the Nazis' T4 health care plan.

On Thursday, members of the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee set up an information table outside the Mattituck post office on Love Lane, complete with a picture of President Obama with a drawn-in Hitler mustache.

The T4 plan, according to a LaRouche booklet, was based on "criteria for determining what patients would be considered to have 'lives unworthy to be lived,' and what was the most 'practical and cheap' manner of removing them from being burdens on the health care system -- by death."

The front cover of a pamphlet LaRouche committee activists handed out last Thursday outside the Mattituck post office.
LaRouche activist Patricia Noble said Obama's administration wants to legalize physician-assisted suicide in order to cut costs. She said that White House health care policy advisor Ezekiel Emanuel, who opposes state-assisted suicide, and White House economic advisors Peter Orszag and Lawrence Summers are mostly to blame for the proposed policy.

"They're promoting the right to die to save money," she said. "When the problem is bailing out toxic assets."

LaRouche advocates also set up tables on sidewalks in Greenport, Cutchogue and Aquebogue.

'Everyone has a right to speak.' Patricia Noble, LaRouche Political Action Committee
Ms. Noble, a retired 56-year-old from Philadelphia, said that other demonstrators went to the South Fork this week, and that they plan to eventually cover the "entire greater New York area."

Ms. Noble said the immediate goal of the LaRouche campaign is to stop the current health care bill from passing. And it's worked so far, she said.

"It hasn't even been written yet," she said. "It's because of what we do around the country."

The LaRouche campaign has existed for nearly four decades, according to Ms. Noble, promoting the ideas of 87-year-old Lyndon LaRouche, a political activist who's run for U.S. president eight times since 1976.

He also spent 15 years in prison starting in 1988 for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax code violations.

With offices around the world and a major hub in Germany, the LaRouche movement has attracted thousands of followers to promote a "new world economic order" and to "save the republic," according to Ms. Noble.

But the group has been called a political and personality cult, and organizations like The Heritage Foundation, a Washington, D.C., conservative think tank, have labeled it "one of the strangest political groups in American history."

Aware of all criticisms, Ms. Noble said she still doesn't hesitate to set up the latest LaRouche protest display, which also features a picture of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi with Frankenstein-style bolts in her head, on any sidewalk anywhere in the country.

"Everyone has a right to speak," she said. "There's not a local law against this ... It's a constitutional right."

Ms. Noble added that the number of people who stop and listen compared to the number who either walk away or want to argue is "about fifty-fifty."

"But I don't argue with people," she said. "If you don't like what we have to say, then have a nice day."

Last Thursday on Love Lane, a woman who was eating a bag of cookies walked by and looked at the display.

"I'm a right-to-lifer," she said. "But I don't know about this."

Someone else came up to the table and starting singing, "War, what is it good for ... absolutely nothing!"

While most other people seemed to just walk by, Mattituck resident Gregory Case, a 62-year-old retired personal care assistant, chatted with Ms. Noble for a while, saying that he swings toward the Democrats, but "in this case, it wasn't the best," he said of the current administration.

"I'm retired and tired of it all," he said, smoking a cigarette.

Others said they took the LaRouche demonstrators with a grain of salt, but they weren't too happy with the current state of health care -- or its future.

"Any public servant gets free health care," said Bob Paquette, owner of the Arcade Department Store in Greenport, who was visiting some friends on Love Lane while the LaRouche demonstration took place. "But I have to pay $500 a month for every employee, and it ticks me off. Meanwhile business is going down."

eschultz@timesreview.com

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Idiocy : 6/14/2010
Any reference to Hitler in any form is simply intolerable. To compare a sitting President of the United States to Hitler is an offense to every citizen of this country, to the Office of the President and to the Republic.
Please don't give these berserk holigans the time of day. They are unworthy of sharing the same air we breath.




morons : 7/22/2009
comparing this group to hittler is a dead on fact the way they say stick to the facts for debate well this is a fact you people are naziesk in your tactics. and the fact that this scares you onl;y proves i am right yet again so do the world a faver and slither back under that flat rock




morons : 7/20/2009
again propaganda worthy of joeseph goebles tell me is the real reason your against this is you are affraid that poor americans and the middle class might not die off fast enough for you?? this bullshit about long waiting lists is just that bullshit period. those with money will always find doctors to heal them with their insurance and ability to pay for elected treatments so that will not change the only thing that will change however is all americans will have a shot at good health god forbid that should happen you guys are playing the same game you played back in the 60s inter racial marrage couldnt be allowed because it would undermind the order of things and that segragation was the natural law well after seeing just how wrong u morons were back then only proves beyond any doubt your lack of inteligance find another flat rock and crawl back under it




Obama's plan blasted as Nazi-like : 7/18/2009
Families should not go bankrupt just to keep loved ones alive...but neither should you kill them...even mercifully, if there be such a thing. The error with this faulty logic is the assumption that euthanasia or bankruptcy are the only 2 alternatives. The truly humane and intelligent approach is offered by LaRouche: mercifully kill the already dead financial system; those vicious HMO pirates and insurance CEO's are no better than the derivative speculators in their slash and burn approach to the economy. They are the ones the offer the simplistic arguments, such as the cost benefits of physician-assisted suicide in an effort to get the population to get people to accept that only the young and healthy should be looked after. With this logic, we would have been robbed of the contributions that Helen Keller made, because she was "deaf, dumb and blind," or of Franklin Roosevelt because he became a "cripple" from polio. A mustard seed is still mustard, even though it is just a seed. Obama and his wicked henchmen: Larry Summers, Peter Orzag, Ezekiel Emmanuel are Nazi-style mass murderers because they've made their intentions clear. If we allow them to act on their intentions, Hitler will cheer them on, or blush at his broken record for genocide!




prolifevrsprochoice : 7/18/2009
I have no problem with the right to die and find it hideous that terminally ill, beyond hope, emacieated, drugged into stupor-oblivion states are not accorded the same remedies we do for pets. When death is inevitable and suffering on the part of loved ones as well as the patient can be avoided, why not? I'm 100% pro Dr. Kavorkian (sp). On the other side, nobody owes anybody their life just because they'vre reached a certain age like in the sci-fi film, Soylent Green (sp/title?). Live long, live healthy with dignity, vitality, humor and humility. When all the above are gone however, why should families go bankrupt in a forstalling death gesture of futility. Death is part of life and we all know it, and if nature needs humane assistance, let it be.




Obama/Hitler comparison part 2 : 7/17/2009
I did not say I agreed or disagreed with the current administration in my post, so for the angry person saying "get your facts straight" let me just say this: the first thing one learns on a debate team is stick to facts. If you disagree with a policy, likening the writer of that policy to Hitler will NOT aid your cause.




Personal offenses : 7/16/2009
Whether or not you have been offended is not the issue. Whether or not you think the critique is moronic is not the issue. Have you had the good sense to review all or part of the proposal? Can you actually justify, at this time of economic crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Medicaid? With unemployment now increasing at a staggering 500,000 per month, while hundreds of billions of dollars forked over to banks like Citi-group or Goldman Sachs provide them with record quarterly earnings, can you really justify hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Medicare? Can you somehow justify hundreds of billions in cuts to our most needy citizens. Sir or mam, that is what personally offends me. So, to paraphrase you, sir or mam, try to get some of your facts straight before you mouth off. Something I'm sure your rarely do...get your facts straight.




Obama Health Care : 7/16/2009
Whether or not you have been offended is not the issue. Whether or not you think the critique is moronic is not the issue. Have you had the good sense to review all or part of the proposal? Can you actually justify, at this time of economic crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicaid? With unemployment now increasing at a staggering 500,000 per month, while hundreds of billions of dollars forked over to banks like Citi-group or Goldman Sachs provide them with record quarterly earnings, can you really justify hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Medicare? So, to paraphrase you, sir or mam, try to get some of your facts straight before you mouth off. Something I'm sure your rarely do...get your facts straight.




Are we loosing our nation? : 7/16/2009
I took my self serious enough to look carefully into the matter. And in fact the monetary reasons that the administration puts out for why they want to slash medicare and medicaid by almost a trillion dollars by eliminating "unnecessary treatment" is exactly the argument made by the Hitler administration. The nazi genocide began small - not with 8 mio jews, but in the health care sector. It began with the assumption that some lives are not worth living, so the disabled, the elderly, the feebleminded etc were the first target group. Now, what do they mean by "unnecessary treatment"? As Peter Orzag said, we spend too much money on treating people who are going to die anyway. Ie who are not worth it. The nazi horror began with that exact same respons to the financial collapse. I also studied Lyndon LaRouche's proposal for a new credit system and a FDR style economic renaissance, and it has become clear to me that these guys are right and they have to guts to say it. You have to insult popular opinion, if you are serious about change.




Obama/Hitler comparison : 7/16/2009
I am deeply offended by the comparison of Obama to Hitler. Not as a Democrat or Republican, but as a human being. To compare Obama to Hitler minimizes the significance of Hitler's actions. It spits in the faces of the millions of people whose murders he ordered. Whether one agrees with the current administration or not, one must not fall victim to this sensational campaign.





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